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Old Oct 09, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44   #1
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Default PC on a some golds
Aegis:

Max armor (req.7 Tactics)

Reduces physical damage by 2 (while in stance)


Icy Wicked Blade of Warding:

Max damage (req.10 Swordmanship)

Damage +15%
Armor -10 (while attacking)

Armor +7 (vs elemental attacks)


Shocking Wicked Blade:

Max damage (req.12 Swordmanship)

+5 energy



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Old Oct 09, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07   #2
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well the wicked blade is a hard sale because its common skin also found in sskai sword and its not such a hot skin so its not a wanted skin so for the wicked blade 1 will probably get 1-3k and +5 energy around 6-10k tops. also did i say it hard to sell.. aegis merch i think dont know for sure
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